This is undoubtedly going to raise some hackles, but you cannot in all conscience think I wouldn’t address this.
Shamima Begum. She’s a quandary, isn’t she? A conundrum, even.
The first question I have to ask is how an unaccompanied child (she was only 15) managed to get through airport security checks on her way to Turkey en route to Syria. Somebody should get a damned good arse kicking for that. I appreciate that teenagers can be devious little sods, I certainly was, but security checks are there for the specific purpose of catching devious little sods, surely?
Now she wants to come back to the UK, and Sajid Javid, in his wisdom, has revoked her citizenship This unfortunately leaves her stateless, and that’s an absolute no-no under international law. Oh dear. That could get messy.
I find her lack of remorse utterly despicable. Even at 15 you know what’s right and what’s wrong, and if as she claims killing people is wrong you can’t take sides and say yours is the right one. The deaths at the Ariana Grande concert were justified? No, I don’t see that at all. If killing civilians, if killing children, is wrong, it’s just wrong full stop. You can’t have it both ways.
The thing is, much as I despise her, her actions, she is a British citizen. I dislike that, but it is the truth. We can’t just deprive people of their nationality just because they’ve been complete vicious wankers. By that token, Tommy Robinson would be out on his ear. Brady/Hindley. The Wests. Any and all wartime collaborators. Margaret Thatcher. The list is endless. I don’t think Ms Begum deserves any of the sympathy she has called for, not at all, not a shred, but that alters nothing. Much as I dislike it, she’s one of us.
Then there’s her child. Shamima Begum was truly misguided in becoming a ‘jihadi bride’, but, and this is the BIG but, the child she has just given birth to has done absolutely nothing wrong, and is British, and hence has the rights of a British person, including right of residence.
By the way, I have heard no calls for that youth who raped and murdered the six-year-old on Bute to be deprived of his citizenship. You might make a case there.
Notes To Ponder said:
Glad you spat this out, it needed to be said and you did it with admirable temperance. I was shocked by news of her citizenship being revoked, her child has no say in the matter but sadly the child has no claim to British citizenship since it was born in Syria,
nobodysreadingme said:
Citizenship is an odd one. British parentage confers British citizenship. Admirable temperance is a nice phrase. 🙂
franhunne4u said:
Amen to that. She is 19 now and shows no remorse, but that has nothing to do with the fact that she was brought up in Great Britain, that she went to school there, that she watched British TV, talked to other Brits – yes, it wasn’t Great Britain that told her to go and become a child bride. But the values of the British society should have reached her before. If society failed there, they carry part of the responsibility.
Same for all Germans who went to IS, no doubt about that. They belong back here where they get a fair trial where a judge will find if the sympathy they express(ed) for terroristic ideals mounts to psychological support of a terroristic group, or whether they have done things even more punishable, like enforcing IS religious rules on persons that were used as slaves, or if they even fought for the IS.
The same fair trial this young woman should get. And her child should be taken in by the authorities. She might do damage to the child by hero-fying an IS-warrior-father, by bringing it up to the same values that IS proclaimed, by sowing the hatred for a Western society into the innocent heart.
nobodysreadingme said:
She doesn’t hate the West so much if she wants to bring her child here rather than live in a bombed-out shithole in Syria that she chose to go to and live in. She cannot have it all ways
Joanne said:
The only reason she wants to come back to UK is because IS has had it. Let her back in, put her on trial and let a jury decide. As for her child, definitely put him with good foster parents, not his grandparents as they raised her.
nobodysreadingme said:
I tend to agree with you. I can see a case to charge her with treason